Complaint about film adaptrations

topic posted Wed, March 8, 2006 - 1:19 PM by  Eric
I rewatched "Painkiller Jane" last night and it seemed a lot more interesting when she was first figuring out about her new, superhuman powers of healing and learning. Once she started fending off govt. attempts to kidnap or kill her, it got really predictable.

"Batman Begins" did, I think, a much better job of establishing its hero's origins by really going into great detail. Instead of rushing through in the first hour or so, like most comic book movies tend to do, it made his origin *the entire plot of the picture* which is probably a good way to do it. The first "Blade" pretty much went the other way, more or less pushing aside any talk about his origins and simply showing him kicking vampire ass from his first appearance (which, by the way, was a spectacularly effective scene -- it really brought his power and the fear he generated in his enemies vividly to life).

I think in many cases the producers simply take a character, figure out they have to show the change or event that gives the hero/ine new abilities to fight evil, and then graft on a silly secondary plot in order to show the character in action.
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Eric
Texas
  • Re: Complaint about film adaptrations

    Wed, March 8, 2006 - 6:19 PM
    Apples and Oranges. Or, a more fitting analogy, Peaches & Plums. The Nectarine you get when you blend the two (different mediums: comic books & movies), is still pretty good.
    • Re: Complaint about film adaptrations

      Mon, June 5, 2006 - 1:38 PM
      I dunnow, tho - most times to me - 'Hollywood' seems to never think the comic charecter alone is enuff to just stick to the 'history' of the existing charecter...

      Theres always gotta b alotta grafting on of various BS Hollywood cliches, or picking and choosing whats gonna make the flick fit more easily into a genre, or pull a particular audience....

      Blade Hellboy

      I also think a huge problem with the way comic movies are made is with inadequate / just plain WRONG casting....

      Halle Barry - Storm Anything with Jessica Alba in a speaking role (FF, Sin City) George Clooney as Batman

      Or just plain RILLY bad acting / writing....

      Daredevil Fantastic Four Electra Supergirl (eecch...) Catwoman(which,btw, i dont think halle was the worst thing about it..)

      All in all - they absolutely get it wrong WAY more often than they get it wrong.... Even if u consider the film just as stand alone movies..., minus thier comic origin and all that bagage......

      • Re: Complaint about film adaptrations

        Sun, June 11, 2006 - 6:05 PM
        I think the biggest problem is that when you take something like a comic book, and you strip away the idea that this is in fact a well put together story that people love, and then try to reorganize it into something recognizable to movie fans, you get something.. else. I dont know what.

        For instance, if we look at Alan Moore's book V For Vendetta, and then we look at the movie. We get two things so drasticly different. For starts, the time frame is off. The world it takes place in looks flashy and bright, where in the comic it was grainy and poor. The evil government resembles hitler to a degree, but the overwhelming sense of invasion of privacy and hostility from the police force are nowhere in the movie. Neither is the charecters desperation. I mean, Evey, is much older in the comic book(about 10 years), she has flashy, well groomed hair and works for a television studio, in the comic book she was working in a match factory and was trying to score enough money to so she could eat day to day by becoming a hooker. These small details are the types of things that put charecters in situations that are believable.

        While the walkoski or what ever, brothers got Evey's torture right, they got everything else wrong and it alienates the viewer, and they left so many questions on the viewers mind. Horrible.

        What I love though is something like Sin City where you acctually had the writer/artist present and involved in the story. You made it LOOK like his work, you made it FEEL like his work and most importantly you included the charecters HE made.

        I think the stuff about sticking names into roles does hold comic book movies back. I mean I refused to go and watch Catwoman. I love halle barry. I think shes beautiful and fun and have enjoyed many of her movies, but shes awful in X-men and the idea of watching her spit out second rate comic book lines in a movie as the star... wow.

        Batman Begins was brilliantly done. You got to care about the main charecter, which is something you almost never get in a super hero movie. They mostly go for the big bang and hi end effects.

        What I think people should do is just pick up a graphic novel/tpb of the story they want to transfer and use that as a story board. That'd make it alot easier.
        • Re: Complaint about film adaptrations

          Tue, June 13, 2006 - 4:34 PM
          "...you get something.. else."

          Yes. Yes! You get something else! Why is that so hard to accept? Why can't we uber fan boy geeks just accept (for example) that the X-Men movie franchise is NOT the comic book? Why must we gripe on and on about how bad something is because it dared to differ from the sacred text of Uncanny #137?

          Can you tell I'm started to get aggravated?
          • Re: Complaint about film adaptrations

            Tue, June 13, 2006 - 5:11 PM
            the problem is we dont get good story. We get whats left over. I mean come on, did you see the first x men movie? it was AWFUL. "What happens when a toad is struck by lightning *ZAP* same thing that happens to everything else." That is bad. someone should have been kicked in the nuts for the first movie, the charecters were dead, they plot was weak and while the concept was exciting by the end I really didnt care who won. You had charecters that should have been amazing, like wolverine, who didnt live up to the standard. He was supposedly a savage but go back and watch that first movie, tell me how many people he uses his claws on. You had a romance between scott and jean and it was weak willed and empty. I mean, i acctually wanted them to break up - not so wolverine could get with her but just so they wouldnt be on the screen together - ever - again.

            It isnt about staying true to the story, to the very word, but staying true to the ideas, themes and passions. In v for vendetta, they took out brilliant ass scenes that I felt personally MADE the story. I mean fucking the cop taking LSD and finding the shadow gallery, that was brilliant. Changing small things like Evey's job and personality CHANGED the idea of the story, changed the HEART of the story. She wasnt desperate and she was weak willed.

            I dont know very much about Batman's past, but I'm pretty sure there are things in batman begins that are NOWHERE in the comics that are in there, but they HELP the story, not hurt it.
            • Re: Complaint about film adaptrations

              Thu, June 15, 2006 - 12:16 AM
              Some people just like to complain.
              • Re: Complaint about film adaptrations

                Thu, June 15, 2006 - 5:31 PM
                and others blindly accept what ever is offered.
                • Re: Complaint about film adaptrations

                  Fri, June 16, 2006 - 9:23 AM

                  Jamez -yeah it's ABSOLUTELY true some people just like to complain.. But Rob actually put down several SPECIFIC problems he had with X1.., at least he explained what he thought was wrong...

                  I have no idea what kinda person he is -but YOUR kinda mean-spirited, dismissive jibe seemed more like something from someone 'who just likes to complain' than his clear, lengthy, thought-out OPINION......


                  (But J- i actually agree with you that alot of fan boys would b well served by lightening up on thier hallowed idols, when they're on screen...But isn't also easy to see why they (um..., we... ?) get thier underoos in a buch, when Hollywood SO OFTEN absolutely massacres a comics' jump onto the screen... ??).
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                    Re: My Jibe

                    Fri, June 16, 2006 - 12:50 PM
                    "dismissive": maybe. Like I said, the subject's become annoying to me.

                    "mean-spirited": not even. I'm just drawn that way (and it's a poor rendering). To know me is to love me. I'm just not cut out for the debate team.
                    • Re: My Jibe

                      Fri, June 16, 2006 - 5:03 PM
                      do you like every movie that comes out? I mean, sometimes dissapointment happens and when people care about something, its easier. It happens when bands put out new cds, when books(comic or other wise) become movies, or sometimes, when movies become books. Things change and when you cut and paste small aspects(like names and location) and leave out the heart of a story, you usually alienate the people that LOVE the story.